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Elisabeth Robson's avatar

Thanks for the video, makes the AI discussion fun.

To me, AI is 100% terrible, beginning with the mining required to make the computers and computer chips. The moment a digger puts its excavator bucket into the ground to remove the "overburden" (i.e. the natural world) before mining for the quartz (to make silicon), copper, aluminum, cobalt, gallium, etc. that's required to make a computer chip, the game is over. And it all gets worse from there... the computers, the wiring, the cooling systems, the racks, the buildings, the grid infrastructure; on and on and on the destruction rolls, before we ever get to "training" the models (on gigawatts of electricity) or understanding what AI is used for (deepfake porn that is destroying the lives of women and girls - see Collective Shout's most recent report about AI, as an example).

All along the way the devastation and pollution and societal damage spills out for miles beyond every single computer chip, like a levee breaking in a flood. It sickens me to my core.

I recently read More Everything Forever by Adam Becker and everything I thought about the psychopathic fantasies of the techbros making all of this happen is even worse than I could possibly have imagined. They are all human supremacists in the extreme; they are all delusional.

It is utterly insane that this is happening--on top of everything else!!--in this time of catastrophic ecological overshoot. It proves how unsuited humanity is to modern industrial living that we can't collectively see that. I suppose it will simply accelerate our race to the inevitable collapse... but in the meantime it is deeply saddening to think about the species decimated by the environmental damage, the minds lost to the hallucinations spewed out by these master pattern matching machines, and the billions of dollars being hoovered up by the wealthiest in society on the backs of everyone else.

What a frickin' mess.

LX Cast's avatar

Certainly a tour-de-force on the part of Liv. I am curious though, that in some ways the ending implies that there is hope if we just synthesize, without really saying how we would get out of the designed systems we are in culturally, politically, economically that are actively working against listening, cooperation, and subtlety? It feels hard to buy into the idea of "we just figure out how to get along and listen to each other" - but of course Risk Realist does sound "accurate" to me relative to some of the other voices so...

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